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		<title>By: Erie Limo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erie Limo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The underground economy is not only a burden on tax paying citizens but is also a hazard. Companies that play by the rules often lose because of higher costs and less legitimate companies ability to undercut them on prices. 

It is an unfortunate consequence of how most municipal governments are set up that many important issues can fall through the cracks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The underground economy is not only a burden on tax paying citizens but is also a hazard. Companies that play by the rules often lose because of higher costs and less legitimate companies ability to undercut them on prices. </p>
<p>It is an unfortunate consequence of how most municipal governments are set up that many important issues can fall through the cracks.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Birmingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Birmingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A greater problem lies in the fact that the city of Toledo does not have the right to over ride State and Federal Transportation laws.  For a company to legally operate in the state of Ohio they must be registered with the Public Utilities Commision(PUCO)  To transport across state lines they must have United States Department of Transportation Authority(USDOT)  Any company operating in the city of Toledo or its suburbs that does not have these licenses are operating illegaly.  Plain and simple.  The city of Toledo is just looking for another money grab.  Enforce state and federal laws, both of which supercede any local ordinance.

If you want to get down to the dirty secrets of this industry, then ask about paying under the table, false employee status claims, claiming employees as independant contractors to avoid paying taxes and workers compensation as well as unemployment insurance.

Talk about lost money.  Most operators locally pay under the table or 1099 their employees as IC&#039;s illegaly. They are cheating the citizens of Toledo and Ohio by not paying taxes.  These are the real costs that create unfair competition.

This is not a new issue and many of the so called &quot;legal&quot; companies that sound off about City licenses are they themselves cheating the citizens of Toledo and Ohio and putting them at risk.

Ask yourself this : would you knowingly contract a limousine service that pays its drivers under the table and does not carry workers compensation insurance ?  Many people do, because they are cheaper.( although I doubt that most people have any idea they are supporting the underground economy )  Its easy to charge less when you steal $2,000 - $3,000.00 a month from the honest tax paying citizens.

Just keep this in mind.  Even if the company has the legal amount of insurance, if an accident occurs across state lines, the insurance company may not cover the claim if the company does not have proper PUC and USDOT compliance.  In either case, no commercial liability insurance covers the employees(drivers)in case of an accident and injury.

All of this is easy to check online through the Ohio BWC, the Ohio PUC, The USDOT(safersys.org)and Ohio Family and Job Services.(unemployment)

I think the people of Toledo would be very surprised to learn who the comapnies are that run in the underground and avoid paying the same taxes that every honest person does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A greater problem lies in the fact that the city of Toledo does not have the right to over ride State and Federal Transportation laws.  For a company to legally operate in the state of Ohio they must be registered with the Public Utilities Commision(PUCO)  To transport across state lines they must have United States Department of Transportation Authority(USDOT)  Any company operating in the city of Toledo or its suburbs that does not have these licenses are operating illegaly.  Plain and simple.  The city of Toledo is just looking for another money grab.  Enforce state and federal laws, both of which supercede any local ordinance.</p>
<p>If you want to get down to the dirty secrets of this industry, then ask about paying under the table, false employee status claims, claiming employees as independant contractors to avoid paying taxes and workers compensation as well as unemployment insurance.</p>
<p>Talk about lost money.  Most operators locally pay under the table or 1099 their employees as IC&#8217;s illegaly. They are cheating the citizens of Toledo and Ohio by not paying taxes.  These are the real costs that create unfair competition.</p>
<p>This is not a new issue and many of the so called &#8220;legal&#8221; companies that sound off about City licenses are they themselves cheating the citizens of Toledo and Ohio and putting them at risk.</p>
<p>Ask yourself this : would you knowingly contract a limousine service that pays its drivers under the table and does not carry workers compensation insurance ?  Many people do, because they are cheaper.( although I doubt that most people have any idea they are supporting the underground economy )  Its easy to charge less when you steal $2,000 &#8211; $3,000.00 a month from the honest tax paying citizens.</p>
<p>Just keep this in mind.  Even if the company has the legal amount of insurance, if an accident occurs across state lines, the insurance company may not cover the claim if the company does not have proper PUC and USDOT compliance.  In either case, no commercial liability insurance covers the employees(drivers)in case of an accident and injury.</p>
<p>All of this is easy to check online through the Ohio BWC, the Ohio PUC, The USDOT(safersys.org)and Ohio Family and Job Services.(unemployment)</p>
<p>I think the people of Toledo would be very surprised to learn who the comapnies are that run in the underground and avoid paying the same taxes that every honest person does.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concerned Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  So if companies don’t even spend the money for a $100 or $30 fee, what else are they not paying for?

How about insurance?  I would be curious to know that if I see a limo, on the street of Toledo with a Ohio plate, if they are insured or not.

A quick comment to Scott Searle who said: “The biggest problem in citing someone for violating these rules is the police have to catch them doing it,”… Um, recommend you check phone book Scott.  Limo services have to advertize to make money; check the ads and then check their books.  

Step 1) Send the obligatory letter of warning citing the law, the required actions of alleged violator and then the consequences if alleged violator fails to comply.

Step 2) Then go enforce the law 30 days following the letter.

I bet that Officer Bruce Simon could whip up and mail multiple form letters in a day.  I don’t think that is too heavy a lift; what do ya say Officer Simon.

I would hope limo providers could not receive a license from the city if they do not present proof of minimum insurance requirements.

Seems to me failure to enforce laws places those “in the know”, or in a position of responsibility of enforcing those laws, in a situation where one might say they are liable.  

Can you say law suit members/representatives of city of Toledo?  I am sure an accident victim could find a first year law student willing to drag your name through the press.

Thank you Mark Hensch, Dagwoods Limousine &amp; Limo Toledo for putting the spot light on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  So if companies don’t even spend the money for a $100 or $30 fee, what else are they not paying for?</p>
<p>How about insurance?  I would be curious to know that if I see a limo, on the street of Toledo with a Ohio plate, if they are insured or not.</p>
<p>A quick comment to Scott Searle who said: “The biggest problem in citing someone for violating these rules is the police have to catch them doing it,”… Um, recommend you check phone book Scott.  Limo services have to advertize to make money; check the ads and then check their books.  </p>
<p>Step 1) Send the obligatory letter of warning citing the law, the required actions of alleged violator and then the consequences if alleged violator fails to comply.</p>
<p>Step 2) Then go enforce the law 30 days following the letter.</p>
<p>I bet that Officer Bruce Simon could whip up and mail multiple form letters in a day.  I don’t think that is too heavy a lift; what do ya say Officer Simon.</p>
<p>I would hope limo providers could not receive a license from the city if they do not present proof of minimum insurance requirements.</p>
<p>Seems to me failure to enforce laws places those “in the know”, or in a position of responsibility of enforcing those laws, in a situation where one might say they are liable.  </p>
<p>Can you say law suit members/representatives of city of Toledo?  I am sure an accident victim could find a first year law student willing to drag your name through the press.</p>
<p>Thank you Mark Hensch, Dagwoods Limousine &amp; Limo Toledo for putting the spot light on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: NC</title>
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		<dc:creator>NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“For the city to not enforce the municipal code is irresponsible,” Collins said. “We have these rules on the books and we have to react to them.”

Be careful what you want.

We have a rogue Acting Commissioner, who seems to not hold the qualifications for the position and this could possibly add to her resume, police officer in charge of enforcing Toledo limousine and taxi codes.

&quot;Collins said as the current chair of the Law and Criminal Justice Committee, he oversees all legislation concerning limousine law.&quot;

And say, besides berating the rogue Acting Commissioner, is council going to take any action with regards to the &quot;police powers&quot; that are being misused?

Or are we going to wait for more lawsuits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“For the city to not enforce the municipal code is irresponsible,” Collins said. “We have these rules on the books and we have to react to them.”</p>
<p>Be careful what you want.</p>
<p>We have a rogue Acting Commissioner, who seems to not hold the qualifications for the position and this could possibly add to her resume, police officer in charge of enforcing Toledo limousine and taxi codes.</p>
<p>&#8220;Collins said as the current chair of the Law and Criminal Justice Committee, he oversees all legislation concerning limousine law.&#8221;</p>
<p>And say, besides berating the rogue Acting Commissioner, is council going to take any action with regards to the &#8220;police powers&#8221; that are being misused?</p>
<p>Or are we going to wait for more lawsuits?</p>
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