Comments on: Web site urges ‘Joe the Plumber’ to run for Congress http://www.toledofreepress.com/2008/10/19/web-site-urges-%e2%80%98joe-the-plumber%e2%80%99-to-run-for-congress/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=web-site-urges-%25e2%2580%2598joe-the-plumber%25e2%2580%2599-to-run-for-congress Toledo's Largest Sunday Newspaper Mon, 20 May 2013 20:19:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc Toledo Newspaperhttp://www.toledofreepress.com/wp-content/themes/tfp/images/tfp_logo_small.gifhttp://www.toledofreepress.com15746The Toledo Free Press is a weekly newspaper in Toledo, Ohio. It was founded in 2005 by Thomas Pounds. By: TonyT http://www.toledofreepress.com/2008/10/19/web-site-urges-%e2%80%98joe-the-plumber%e2%80%99-to-run-for-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-539 TonyT Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:28:03 +0000 http://www.toledofreepress.com/?p=10260#comment-539 I know I'll probably get a lot of flame posts for this but I think this needs to be said. The truth about the whole "redistribution of wealth" and socialism debate is that both statements are correct. Increasing taxes on one group and not on another is a redistribution of wealth. It is not a capitalistic ideal. It does lean towards socialism. In 1981 and again in 2001 Republican administrations cut taxes with the largest cuts going to higher income earners and corporations (the investor class) in the hopes that they would reinvest their increased revenue thereby creating jobs and growing the economy. So without arguing the merits of trickle down economics, did the Republican Party not redistribute wealth? It's really easy to start throwing bombs out there like Socialist and Marxis, but the truth is our economic system is a delicate mix of Capitalism and socialistic safety nets: Social Security is socialist. Unemployment is socialist. Medicare and Medicaid are socialist. A 700 billion dollar bailout (or any bailout for that matter is socialist)! My point is this: If you think the tax structure is good where it is and different income earners are paying as much as they should pay; fine, but it's overly simplistic to label an adjustment in the tax structure as socialist because it redistributes wealth. Bottom Line: I respect plumbers and I respect Joe; but Joe is a plumber, not an economist and he definitely shouldn't be a congressman. I know I’ll probably get a lot of flame posts for this but I think this needs to be said. The truth about the whole “redistribution of wealth” and socialism debate is that both statements are correct. Increasing taxes on one group and not on another is a redistribution of wealth. It is not a capitalistic ideal. It does lean towards socialism.

In 1981 and again in 2001 Republican administrations cut taxes with the largest cuts going to higher income earners and corporations (the investor class) in the hopes that they would reinvest their increased revenue thereby creating jobs and growing the economy. So without arguing the merits of trickle down economics, did the Republican Party not redistribute wealth?

It’s really easy to start throwing bombs out there like Socialist and Marxis, but the truth is our economic system is a delicate mix of Capitalism and socialistic safety nets: Social Security is socialist. Unemployment is socialist. Medicare and Medicaid are socialist. A 700 billion dollar bailout (or any bailout for that matter is socialist)!

My point is this: If you think the tax structure is good where it is and different income earners are paying as much as they should pay; fine, but it’s overly simplistic to label an adjustment in the tax structure as socialist because it redistributes wealth.

Bottom Line: I respect plumbers and I respect Joe; but Joe is a plumber, not an economist and he definitely shouldn’t be a congressman.

]]> By: Marsie http://www.toledofreepress.com/2008/10/19/web-site-urges-%e2%80%98joe-the-plumber%e2%80%99-to-run-for-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-502 Marsie Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:22:40 +0000 http://www.toledofreepress.com/?p=10260#comment-502 Amen to the working man! Thank you Joe for bringing facts to the frontline. As far as Congress is concerned, I am all for your name in the hat. GO JOE! Amen to the working man! Thank you Joe for bringing facts to the frontline. As far as Congress is concerned, I am all for your name in the hat. GO JOE!

]]> By: Jeff http://www.toledofreepress.com/2008/10/19/web-site-urges-%e2%80%98joe-the-plumber%e2%80%99-to-run-for-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-310 Jeff Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:37:49 +0000 http://www.toledofreepress.com/?p=10260#comment-310 Derek Khanna is clearly almost as big a joke as McCain's campaign advisors. Its simply embarrasing that Joe the Plumber actually appears to have a better command over the issues that McCain's unvetted VP candidate Derek Khanna is clearly almost as big a joke as McCain’s campaign advisors. Its simply embarrasing that Joe the Plumber actually appears to have a better command over the issues that McCain’s unvetted VP candidate

]]> By: Janet http://www.toledofreepress.com/2008/10/19/web-site-urges-%e2%80%98joe-the-plumber%e2%80%99-to-run-for-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-177 Janet Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:11:30 +0000 http://www.toledofreepress.com/?p=10260#comment-177 Well MsSwin; he had to work with a Dem. run congress and senate, who could get anything done in that type of environment? Remember your history? Carter started this housing mess in the 70's, remember 17% interest and gas lines. In 1997 Clinton signed a housing bill to make homes more affordable for the poor. Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it. If your young you may not have learned this in college or really even know how our government works. It takes the house, senate and the President to pass anything. Look to your senators and represetives before blaming Bush for everything. This has become a great mantra for you on the left. And if this is all you can do is blame Bush, there is a lot of blame to go around..... Well MsSwin; he had to work with a Dem. run congress and senate, who could get anything done in that type of environment? Remember your history? Carter started this housing mess in the 70′s, remember 17% interest and gas lines. In 1997 Clinton signed a housing bill to make homes more affordable for the poor. Those who don’t remember history are doomed to repeat it. If your young you may not have learned this in college or really even know how our government works. It takes the house, senate and the President to pass anything. Look to your senators and represetives before blaming Bush for everything. This has become a great mantra for you on the left. And if this is all you can do is blame Bush, there is a lot of blame to go around…..

]]> By: MsSwin http://www.toledofreepress.com/2008/10/19/web-site-urges-%e2%80%98joe-the-plumber%e2%80%99-to-run-for-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-163 MsSwin Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:30:34 +0000 http://www.toledofreepress.com/?p=10260#comment-163 bob, we said same about george bush.. look where that got us ;) bob, we said same about george bush.. look where that got us ;)

]]> By: don joslyn http://www.toledofreepress.com/2008/10/19/web-site-urges-%e2%80%98joe-the-plumber%e2%80%99-to-run-for-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-162 don joslyn Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:32:24 +0000 http://www.toledofreepress.com/?p=10260#comment-162 I think this is a great idea! Joe is just the average "Joe" and thats what we need in Congress right now. I am pleased to sign the petition for Joe. Even though I live in South Carolina and wouldn't be able to vote for him while living in this state I think its a great idea! GO JOE GO! I think this is a great idea! Joe is just the average “Joe” and thats what we need in Congress right now. I am pleased to sign the petition for Joe. Even though I live in South Carolina and wouldn’t be able to vote for him while living in this state I think its a great idea!
GO JOE GO!

]]> By: Janet http://www.toledofreepress.com/2008/10/19/web-site-urges-%e2%80%98joe-the-plumber%e2%80%99-to-run-for-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-161 Janet Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:27:25 +0000 http://www.toledofreepress.com/?p=10260#comment-161 Well Joe asked and got the truth from Obama, spread the wealth.......I did go to college and paid for it myself. I too am self employed, I am a glass bead artist and I don't want to pay a penny more taxes then I already do. If I have to help spread the wealth from 20 years of my hard work to get where I am, I am going to stop working so hard! Won't employee another person for my business and there goes my health insurance I pay for myself....I don't want or expect a hand out, never did and don't want it. We need to give folks a hand up not a hand out......Go Joe you are one of us that share the American Dream! To find out about Sarah go to Alaska.gov and find out who and what she is like I did and don't believe the left wing media, don't let them think for you....is'nt that what you went to college for? Well Joe asked and got the truth from Obama, spread the wealth…….I did go to college and paid for it myself. I too am self employed, I am a glass bead artist and I don’t want to pay a penny more taxes then I already do. If I have to help spread the wealth from 20 years of my hard work to get where I am, I am going to stop working so hard! Won’t employee another person for my business and there goes my health insurance I pay for myself….I don’t want or expect a hand out, never did and don’t want it. We need to give folks a hand up not a hand out……Go Joe you are one of us that share the American Dream! To find out about Sarah go to Alaska.gov and find out who and what she is like I did and don’t believe the left wing media, don’t let them think for you….is’nt that what you went to college for?

]]> By: DK http://www.toledofreepress.com/2008/10/19/web-site-urges-%e2%80%98joe-the-plumber%e2%80%99-to-run-for-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-160 DK Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:20:58 +0000 http://www.toledofreepress.com/?p=10260#comment-160 Went to try and support your effort but electronic petition not allowing my name to be submitted. Check out site and make sure the electronic petition is functioning so we can support. Went to try and support your effort but electronic petition not allowing my name to be submitted. Check out site and make sure the electronic petition is functioning so we can support.

]]> By: Jean http://www.toledofreepress.com/2008/10/19/web-site-urges-%e2%80%98joe-the-plumber%e2%80%99-to-run-for-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-159 Jean Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:15:47 +0000 http://www.toledofreepress.com/?p=10260#comment-159 The average American may be stupid in your eyes but, we know we don't want SOCIALISM. Since the government is going to "spread the wealth" that would only encourage everyone to sit on their hands or just keep going to school for a living! The average American may be stupid in your eyes but, we know we don’t want SOCIALISM. Since the government is going to “spread the wealth” that would only encourage everyone to sit on their hands or just keep going to school for a living!

]]> By: Scott Walker http://www.toledofreepress.com/2008/10/19/web-site-urges-%e2%80%98joe-the-plumber%e2%80%99-to-run-for-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-158 Scott Walker Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:13:56 +0000 http://www.toledofreepress.com/?p=10260#comment-158 Oh for god sake. Isn't Sarah Palin enough of an embarrassment on the political situation in this country? Scott Walker Oh for god sake. Isn’t Sarah Palin enough of an embarrassment on the political situation in this country?

Scott Walker

]]> By: Bob S http://www.toledofreepress.com/2008/10/19/web-site-urges-%e2%80%98joe-the-plumber%e2%80%99-to-run-for-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-157 Bob S Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:05:18 +0000 http://www.toledofreepress.com/?p=10260#comment-157 MsSwin: He can do no worse than the present people in Congress. We need more working people in the House and Senate. Maybe then they would not take money from Sallie May & Freddie Mack, and give golden parachutes to C.E.O.'s. MsSwin: He can do no worse than the present people
in Congress. We need more working people in the
House and Senate. Maybe then they would not take
money from Sallie May & Freddie Mack, and give
golden parachutes to C.E.O.’s.

]]> By: Cindy McNeish http://www.toledofreepress.com/2008/10/19/web-site-urges-%e2%80%98joe-the-plumber%e2%80%99-to-run-for-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-156 Cindy McNeish Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:57:12 +0000 http://www.toledofreepress.com/?p=10260#comment-156 I love the idea of Joe the Plumber for Congress......God know he would probably do a better job than anyone in Congress right now. Go Joe!!! I love the idea of Joe the Plumber for Congress……God know he would probably do a better job than anyone in Congress right now.

Go Joe!!!

]]> By: MsSwin http://www.toledofreepress.com/2008/10/19/web-site-urges-%e2%80%98joe-the-plumber%e2%80%99-to-run-for-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-143 MsSwin Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:10:45 +0000 http://www.toledofreepress.com/?p=10260#comment-143 You know jack squat about this man, about as much as you knew about Sarah Palin when she was announced at the Republican Convention amid wild cheers. Cheers for what? No one even knew who the woman was at that point, not even now as she is kept from the media. College has one task.. to teach you to think. Please don't waste your parents' money. You know jack squat about this man, about as much as you knew about Sarah Palin when she was announced at the Republican Convention amid wild cheers. Cheers for what? No one even knew who the woman was at that point, not even now as she is kept from the media.

College has one task.. to teach you to think. Please don’t waste your parents’ money.

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